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Melissa's avatar

“It’s the most ‘I could actually live here, like a resident, not a tourist’ neighbourhood Lisbon offers a Western remote worker.”

As an American who lives in Lisbon, I would say that Arroios might be the currently-in-vogue-with-Western-remote-worker neighborhood where you can most “live like a resident,” but there are other neighborhoods that are more livable and less expensive. Some may be slightly further out but easily accessible to the center on the metro.

Additionally, while Almada may be across the river, Oeiras is not. Both are large areas that contain many different neighborhoods so it’s weird to compare them with individual neighborhoods in Lisbon given. E.g., housing options and price and general neighborhood vibe in Oeiras are very different between, say, Algés and Caxias, the same way that Arroios and Campo de Ourique are different.

A Way Abroad's avatar

Thank you Melissa. You're right, and the chart's already fixed. Oeiras is on the north bank, not across the river (that's Almada), so the label now reads "satellite towns."

Your deeper point stands too: Almada and Oeiras are whole municipalities, not neighbourhoods — Algés and Caxias aren't one market — so I've flagged that band as a rough floor, not a like-for-like read.

On Arroios, you put it better than I did: it's the in-vogue pick for a Western remote worker, but "in-vogue" isn't "most livable" or "cheapest." I'd love your list: which neighbourhoods do you actually send people to, and why? That's the local read the guides never carry.

Caitlin Boylan's avatar

This just isn’t correct. Lisbon is extremely expensive (and not just when it comes to rent), the entire city along with many of the suburbs are over-inflated. I live in a city about 45 minutes to the south of Lisbon and people are moving here because they can no longer afford Lisbon. It's not only locals who are being priced out (and they are, in large numbers) it's also wealthy expats.

Painting it any other way isn't helpful to anyone, least of all locals.

A Way Abroad's avatar

You're right, Caitlin, and thank you. The original headline was wrong, and I'd rather correct that in the open than defend it.

Lisbon is expensive, full stop. The Saturday post prices a comfortable foreign-income month at more than double the national minimum wage, and you're right that the pressure doesn't stop at the city limits. Satellite towns are climbing precisely because people are being pushed out of the centre, locals worst of all, but foreigners too. (You'd know the Setúbal side of that better than I would.)

What I was trying to flag was narrower: on top of an already-expensive market, the English-language furnished platforms appear to quote foreigners an even higher number in a couple of specific neighborhoods — a surcharge on top of expensive, not a way around Lisbon being expensive. The title flattened that into something false, so I've corrected the framing: Lisbon is expensive either way, and two neighbourhoods make newcomers overpay even more.

Appreciate you keeping it honest.

Caitlin Boylan's avatar

Appreciate you addressing it and making the change!